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The Rabbi Daniel Lapin Podcast
Episode: A Shockingly Courageous Woman
Date: 09/15/23 Length: 1:25:38
Daniel Lapin 0:00
Greetings, happy warriors. And welcome to the rabbi Daniel Lapin show where I, your rabbi, reveal how the world really works. And thank you for being part of the show. And thank you for all so many of you are doing to help promote the show. Our download numbers continue to increase meteorologically, which is very exciting for the two of us. And I say the two of us because today, as we occasionally do, it is a joint show. We've never done it video. We've not done a joint video. Never been on the video. That's right. Well, this is the start of a new regime. A new tourney? And why don't you explain to our happy warriors? Just why this is a joint show why you are participating today.
Susan Lapin 0:57
Before we do that, why don't we just ask them because it's great that the numbers are growing. But if you have not signed up,
Daniel Lapin 1:04
subscribe to the podcast. That would be great. Actually, yes. Do us a favor and go ahead and subscribe. I think you all knows as well as I do what it's about, essentially you get informed of when new episodes drop. But those numbers are really important. And as you can see, if you are listening or watching on a site that gives you the the subscription numbers, you can see what's been happening to our subscription numbers. They've really been going up a very, very gratifying, Lisa, go for that and subscribe.
Susan Lapin 1:43
Now. So what happened was that I we both are inveterate readers, we read a lot. And we share a lot of times we spend a fair bit of time saying you've got to hear this. And occasionally saying okay, sorry, I'm not just going to read you a paragraph you have to read the whole book or the whole article. But what happened was that I came across an article and the author of the article I recognized her name, it was Dr. Naomi Wolf. And I recognized her name going back a long time as a, someone who had been held up as a feminist icon. And I have to admit, I don't think I've ever read any of her books. I don't think you had either. But we probably figured I probably figured she somebody I disagreed with more than I agreed with. And yet this article was a blew me away. Because I'm not positive. Remember exactly the first one I read, but what she wrote an article, which was an apology to conservatives, and she went through and she listened. And she said, I believed this lie about you, I believed this lie about you. They told me this about you. It was a lie. And it was an entire column of apologizing for having believed the mainstream media and academia. And the friends, her friends, her liberal friends and from her circle, who all along with her believed certain things about conservatives or told certain things about conservatives. And somehow she Oh, she had come to believe that they were wrong. And the opening wedge for her was COVID. And she is absolutely she actually wrote a book, talking about how governments around the world used COVID, basically as an opportunity to take over people's lives. And to really, and in effect, what they are doing was destroying those things that make us human getting the ability to get together, the ability to hug each other, to be with each other to choose where we want to be freely
Daniel Lapin 3:53
and to trade to trade to go to a restaurant or going to a store. And I think she observed also that there seem to be preferential treatment for certain kinds of stores.
Susan Lapin 4:04
Yes, certain, you know that you can have marijuana stores in the United States and some places were open. Whereas in liquor stores and marijuana, marijuana stores were open. But if you wanted to sell shoes, you were shut down. And it was she wrote a book, The Body of Others, which we and I ended up reading after reading her article. We did a little more work. And then she even came out with an article. That was she went to a speech. It was a private speech she was invited to by Donald Trump. And she wrote an article and basically said, Oh, my goodness, is it possible that nothing I have been told about? This man is true. She actually went through some of the most egregious things that she had been told. He said, and discovered that you're not going to believe this. They were taken out of context, some of them anyway, the point is that we read her book and we just I said to my husband, you've got to get this woman on your radio on your podcast you have We have to talk to
Daniel Lapin 5:00
her. It was really interesting because she had actually been an advisor too long ago now 23 years ago. To the your right to the election. Al Gore Joe Lieberman campaign. You'll remember that famous presidential election, the hanging chads in Florida.
Susan Lapin 5:24
It was okay to question elections
Daniel Lapin 5:26
back then it seems it was okay to question elections. That's right. They, in fact, the Democrats launched a lawsuit against George W. Bush, which they ultimately lost. And George W. Bush was declared the winner. But yes, they did question the outcome of a legitimate election. And she supported and helped and was an advisor to the gore Lieberman campaign, which Susan and I deployed. We were we were equally unimpressed with both candidates, algo and labor. And we felt both were deeply, deeply flawed for the role of occupying the White House. And so I really didn't think there could possibly be much that we would be able to let alone agree on but to even discuss, I didn't, I didn't, however, the more I read together with Susan, of what Naomi wolf had written, the more amazed we were because it takes a lot of courage and a lot of integrity, to say the words I was wrong. Not easy to say. And,
Susan Lapin 6:39
She's even she went further, she's been going further than there are a number of people who are saying, Oh, the left left me, you know, I am a classical liberal and the left has gone too far. Now they become woke, she went beyond that, to the point of saying, I was I was wrong. There are a lot of things that I believed about the classical left, even that were wrong, because it left a long time ago. It's not it did not just leave and become woke in the last year. This actually goes back further than that.
Daniel Lapin 7:11
So we we thought she was very interesting. We then invited her to come on the show with us. She graciously accepted and stayed on longer than we'd originally agreed. We're just finding the conversation fascinating. And I don't think we even got through, we may have got to half the things. We missed
Susan Lapin 7:32
so many we had so many questions and not get but we
Daniel Lapin 7:35
did get through a lot. And we very much hope that you will find those interesting as we
Susan Lapin 7:41
I am going to suggest before we start hearing about hearing the interview, I'm going to suggest if you are interested if COVID if you're scratching your head and going what in the world happened and is it happening again, I do suggest you read her book is Dr. Naomi Wolf, the Bodies of Others, and I forgot the subtitle and I don't have it here. But there's another book you should read also.
Daniel Lapin 8:02
And that is called The Holistic You perhaps the most important book we've written and, and that's, you know, taking into account thou shalt prosper and business secrets from the Bible, and bury treasure life lessons from the Lord's language. We have a number of books, but the newest one,The Holistic You, is most exciting, most profound, and I think we put most of ourselves into it's the essential statement, explanation and guide to how to integrate the five crucial areas of our lives, family, finance, friendship, fitness, and faith. That's it. I think everyone would agree, right? If that if you have a wonderful family life, you're this, you have a spouse, with whom you're still in love. And your finances give you nothing to worry about. And you have a relationship with God. So your faith is alright. And your friendships that you got a great social life, you got friends and fitness, you're in good health. You got no complaints, right? You got a lot to be grateful for awful lot to be grateful for. And so what we explained is a hugely important insight from ancient Jewish wisdom. And that is that all these five interlock with each other. And that, oddly enough, if you devote time and energy to family, it's never at the cost of finance or the cost of fitness or the cost of social life. All of the on the country. As you build up social life friendships. You're also building up friendships and finance and faith and family. If you do it right. If you do it all right,
Susan Lapin 9:56
yes, how to integrate all of those things. You can't get the book just yet it is however being stocked and shipped and stocked
Daniel Lapin 10:04
It's days away. So only days,
Susan Lapin 10:07
please it is available for preorder,
Daniel Lapin 10:09
we'd love you to go ahead and preorder and the reason is because Amazon decides how much attention to give a book based on the preorder numbers. And, and so you know how they give a ranking for the book, they tell you. Now, we don't know what the algorithm is. But the ranking is comparative. You can tell whether books have sold since yesterday to today. And so when you listen to this, you might want to go on Amazon and look up The Holistic You, by us by by Daniel and Susan Lapin. And then I'm wondering if this is our first book? No, it's not the first book that has your name on the cover.
Susan Lapin 10:54
It's the first book download isn't the first book but by this publisher,
Daniel Lapin 10:59
Well, they all should have had your name on the cover. But, but that's but that's water under the bridge. This one does look up The Holistic You by Rabbi Daniel and Susan Lapin. And you'll notice the Amazon sales rankings are quite high or low, depending on how you look at it. The numbers are high, which means it's it's not good. It's slow. But as people listen to this podcast and act upon it, you will see so please, I think you're going to want the book anyway. It is extremely powerful and extremely transformational in terms of these five areas of your life. So if you're going to want the book, go ahead, do us a favor and order it right now on Amazon. And I think now it's pretty much ready to bring on Dr. Naomi Wolf. If you're looking her up. It's W O L F, there's no heat. No, W O L F Dr. Naomi Wolf. And we show enjoy talking with her we found it quite eye opening. And we found it uplifting that they are people like us. In other words, an influential person. She's an influencer. She has a big following, and including people way over on the left. And yet here is somebody who can even change her mind on perhaps one of the most divisive topics of the last few decades in the United States of America. President Donald J. Trump, all of that, coming up right now with Dr. Naomi Wolf, hope you enjoy.
Daniel Lapin 12:41
Welcome happy warriors and as promised, an interview that both Susan Lapin and I have been greatly looking forward to, we have the opportunity to talk with Dr. Naomi Wolf. And, gosh, what is so interesting to us is that well, let me put it this way. I and my wife were privileged to start and lead a synagogue in Los Angeles, California, on the beach in Venice. And it was made up of many, many hundreds of young people, young Jews who grew up with a completely secular background, very limited or no Jewish identity at all. And they found themselves attracted to, for lack of a better term. And and I don't mean this disparagingly at all, but to the fundamentalist nature of the congregation. It was we didn't label it with orthodox or for money nails, we just called a Torah centric, and, and over the course of a number of years, hundreds of young people turned their lives upside down, in many cases, alienating themselves from friends and family. All of a sudden, they were not able to drive on Saturday, they were not able to eat at their parents homes, as they began to follow the Torah rules on kosher food and so on and so forth. And all of this was, was was very, very interesting. And we were incredibly privileged to serve a congregation of very accomplished and intelligent people. But there were choose the three or four couples of older people in their view.
Susan Lapin 14:43
Yeah, most people were in their 20s and 30s. Yeah, we were outliers.
Daniel Lapin 14:47
And there was this, this small group of three or four elderly elderly couples they were you know the in their 60s Don't call them elderly anymore with no no in that in the peak of They're yours. But, but they, they took our breath away. Because to change your mind when you're 23, or 25, or 26, and your, your entire adult life is 10 years long, to at that point, say, you know, I'm going to rethink things. I'm, I'm going in a different direction, it takes something, there's no question about it. But to do the same thing when you have 20 or 30 years invested in a particular worldview. Now, that is breathtaking. And I suppose we can go back to the election of 2000, when I think you were on the team of gore, Lieberman. And we were notorious for saying that we wouldn't vote for Gore Lieberman under any circumstances because of fundamental differences in policy and outlook. But we specifically wouldn't vote for Lieberman because the Jewish communities adoption of Joe Lieberman in the vice presidential position, wreaked of, of tribalism to us, there were people who knew nothing about his policies, oh, he's one of us. He's a Jew. And we didn't go for that. So at any rate, there we were, in 90 in 2020, excuse me in in 2010, I may have said that wrong before in the 2000 election, I would say we probably, I didn't know you then. But based on what I've read of your work, and the material you were writing and speaking about them, we could hardly have been on a more distant from one another in in ideas. And now all of a sudden, Susan and I are filled with admiration for things that you are saying and writing and doing. And so something is changed. And what has changed is you.
Susan Lapin 17:12
Can I guess that was actually going to be my first question, if I can jump in here. Yeah, I think there's a very consistent pattern in your life from what I not that I have spent, you know, I haven't done a PhD analysis of you. But from what I understand, there is a great consistency in that you are you speak what you see; you you see a problem and you speak about it. And you don't really look to say, well, is everyone going to approve of what I'm saying you just really seem to me to be a very honest, and courageous person. And so that is a consistent theme. Where I'm curious, and my question is, there does seem to be a change. And I think that I'm pretty sure you probably have just about alienated everybody in the world at some point or another because those who would have been your allies early on, are probably upset at a lot of the things you're saying now and those who did not like the things you were saying early on, or probably see you more as an ally now. My question is, I don't see the change. I see you following the path of truth wherever it leads you. But in terms of policies and things was this, was there an aha moment because it goes before COVID. You know, the book we've been enjoying recently - well not saying enjoying, it's not enjoyable. But the Bodies of Others: the new authoritarians, COVID-19 and the war against the human. It's really breathtakingly bold. But my question, I guess, is was there a way before that? I see you It already started. You had a book letter, it's to a patriot or something to young Americans.
Daniel Lapin 18:51
That was 2007, I
Susan Lapin 18:52
think, was there an aha moment? Or was this been a gradual? Oh, I need to expand my thinking,
Naomi Wolf 18:58
Wow. Well, these are great questions. Of course, I love them because they're so flattering. But I guess what comes to mind, when both of you were speaking is, I really don't feel that I've changed I feel that circumstances around us historically have changed. So, you know, for people who are not familiar with my work, I guess the shorthand of what we're saying is that I came from the world of liberal you know, liberal left progressive left, and was always pretty comfortable in it. But all the way along, I was annoying my fellow tribes people because for instance, I wrote a piece in the 90s called our bodies our souls, in which I talked about my discomfort with the quite materialistic, spiritually neutered discourse around abortion that the pro-choice movement utilized. So they didn't like that. So it's not new for me to look at an issue. on its own terms, rather than fitting into a truism on one side or another. But I do think that since 2020, it's been clear that the progressive left which I thought stood for, I mean, really the shining model and exemplar in my life. And I know you, you both will resonate to this is my grandmother, Faye Ullman [sp.], who came to this country, daughter of immigrants from Russia, you know, wanted just believed in everything this country promised and she was a great patriot. And she believed in education, she believed in debate and discourse and civil discourse. She became a professor way ahead of her time. But I guess where I'm going with that is everything I believe in and stand for really is a phase that generations vision of America right and what America should what it offered, especially to immigrants from a totalitarian regime, right there like you don't want to miss Of course, we're gonna fight for the right of Nazis to march in Skokie, Illinois, because we know what happens when you don't protect those first amendment liberties. as uncomfortable as it is, we're going to do that.
Naomi Wolf 21:15
I mean, this was a through line for her and for many people of that generation who, you know, many Jews, certainly from that generation who came from, you know, not just that's ours, Russia, but you know, Stalin's Soviet Union, you know, who fled the Holocaust, I mean, we, we have this not we should have this knowledge in our DNA. So, all of that being said, in 2020, when I witnessed my own tribe of progressive liberals align with a totalitarian set of diktats around COVID are about around staying home or around masking children. Not letting people engage in commerce, you know, all the things we should have remembered from the Warsaw Ghetto, right? Because that's what you do to subject populations. You don't let them transact you don't let them have free assembly. You know, anyone who studies history, just in the 20th century, will should have recognized that. And then when I saw the same liberals, who would have fought for gay marriage rights, but never discriminated against people who were African American, or Asian American, thoroughly embracing a two-tier society, I'm talking to you from Brooklyn, New York, here in Brooklyn, Brooklyn, in Manhattan, this great beacon of, you know, melting pot, equality since the Civil Rights Act was passed, for them to just be fine with mandates that led me to not be able to walk inside a building or, you know, that led me to have to eat in the street like an animal. That was astonishing to me and for the same people to who were so critical of big government and big pharma, big corporations to embrace uncritically you know, all of the spokespeople saying just take this experiment into your body. I was just stunned.
Naomi Wolf 23:06
So I guess all of that is to say, I really haven't changed. You know, I don't, I don't think I really just kept believing in freedoms of speech, freedom of conscience, freedom, the Constitution, the conscience. So to my surprise, I got cancelled, and De-platformed. from Twitter, smeared globally. And then subsequently, I thought my career was over, over. But the people who wanted to talk to me were not the legacy media where I've spent 35 years, but people like you. And interestingly, also, like religious, Orthodox Jews, and like fundamentalist and very conservative Christians wanted to talk to me. So that was kind of amazing. And I promise I'll stop this riff, but I guess we're almost done. When we're talking big picture. What's so extraordinary to me about the last two and a half years, you know, since I've been cancelled is and you know, we're gonna get there. We haven't gotten there yet. Right? But like my views about who is God and how does God work really changed? But one factor in my being so blown away by who is God? How does God work? God is much more immediate and involved in our lives than I thought is, for two and a half years, I've been talking about very life-saving information. And only people like, half the country was able to hear it and half the country wasn't and the people who were able to hear it were the people who cared about women and babies and to my amazement, that's Orthodox Jews and conservative Christians. So that like God's people heard it first. I hope everyone gets to hear it, but I witnessed this like Exodus type moment, you know, where, like, literally it's like an angel was marking the houses of God's people, okay, you get to hear this. You get to hear this. And, you know, as I noted, it related to, you know, the vaccines and what was in them. But I witnessed in a way that I couldn't really explain like people who didn't care about God women or babies not have access to the information people who did got the information in a way that transcended kind of human endeavor. So long answer to a short question.
Daniel Lapin 25:20
No, that's what we want. What Why do you suppose that the reaction to COVID and the wholesale abandonment of civil liberties and the adoption of governmental dictates why, and how do you explain how clearly that cleaved to the the the political canyon that cuts through the culture? Why is it that if I knew who somebody had voted for, in 2016, I knew what their position was unmasking.
Naomi Wolf 26:04
Right, wow, that's a great question. Well, I always do at this moment, caution Americans a little bit because these kind of global instructions and prohibitions transcended partisanship they derived as I argued, in the bodies of others from the World Economic Forum, the World Health Organization, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And they were sent now we know probably with the help of AI, you know, around the world. So in America, for sure. The COVID cultists were on the left. In Britain, they had a conservative leader and the Tories were pushing these anti-Liberty measures in Australia and the beginning. They also had a conservative leader. In Canada, they had a Liberal leader in France, they had a Liberal leader, but all of these people were in lockstep. But zeroing in on the United States, you're absolutely right. That in the US is very interesting. You can predict pretty much for whom people voted based on whether they're masking or vaccine II and whether they swallow that, you know, instructions wholesale. And there, I would say that America is in a very lucky position compared with most other Western countries, certainly in that we do have a state system. So we have like red states and blue states. And so we have red governors and blue governors. And we also and so that allows for some
Susan Lapin 27:43
time here near me, I'm sorry. But we have actually a very international audience. So could you please just describe that for anyone who may not be American?
Naomi Wolf 27:53
Sorry about that? Well, as opposed to sort of France and Germany that have, you know, provinces, or kind of regions, but they're not completely self-determining our system in the United States is that yes, there is a federal government, but our founders, in their wisdom also created a very self-directing legal structure for states. And even though there are only 13 states, our country is born, all 50 states inherit this, which means that if the governor of South Dakota or the governor of Florida, didn't want to go along with the federal administration's nonsense about closing schools and businesses and forcibly masking and injecting people, they had the power to do that. And yes, there are fights then at the court level between, you know, the governor and the federal administration. But what it meant in effect to answer your question is that half the country had the legal power to not go along with things and we at Daily Clout, my company, saw this firsthand because we drafted a model bill called the five freedoms bill to liberate people no mask mandates, no vaccine, passports, open schools now, and emergency law, freedom of assembly, and we passed it in 33 states. So those were, you know, the half the country that wasn't going along with it. But also, there's an independent media still, and there's a kind of grassroots conservative media still, we don't just have like CBC, you know, government broadcasting or BBC Government Broadcasting. So what that means is that if you're not like my poor loved ones, they were thoroughly plugged into the New York Times and CNN and NPR, so terrified and believing nonsense and acting on nonsense. Many other people were listening to War Room or Tucker Carlson, although, you know, he's had to cope elsewhere. You know, the Fox is not like the beacon of freedom. You know, one might think but, but you know, all these podcasters that Joe Rogan you know, especially that arose since 2020. And since the censorship of legacy media we have, and we have the First Amendment, right. So in Europe, they've just passed a law to suppress even what you can read digitally. And that's happened in Canada as well. Our first amendment allows individual heroes to keep challenging that censorship, and to maintain this free flow of information for half the country. So that I think is what happened in America that's different from the situation in Australia or Israel, for that matter, or Canada, in certain countries in Western Europe.
Susan Lapin 30:42
Can I ask my Israel questions Daniel, or do you want to...
Daniel Lapin 30:45
No, I was hoping you would, Susan,
Susan Lapin 30:47
I have been very, this is something that puzzles me. And I've not found anyone who can give me an answer. It seems pretty clear that young men had much more to at risk by taking the vaccine than they would have been at risk from COVID. And we know personally, and certainly, anecdotally, you always have to date you know, you always have to watch anecdotes, because that's the great shark, where it turns out there are no more sharks that summer than any other summer. But I think I think your data shows that young men have been healthy. Previously, healthy young men have been dying at a greater rate than we would expect. Israel went full-in with the COVID. They were the first ones to do the Pfizer. Israel is also a very small country, and it's a country that values its people, especially yet or including young men very much because everybody knows, in other words, if there was a big uptick in the death of young men, it would be impossible to hide in a way that you can't hide it in other countries. I'm not seeing that being reported or hearing it from people we know in Israel. So that's a conundrum for me.
Naomi Wolf 31:59
That's really interesting. I'll have to look into that. I wasn't aware that Israel was an outlier in terms of the growing documentation of, of excess deaths and disabilities that people like a doubt formerly of Blackrock are presenting to the world based on government databases. I will say it you know, I guess we'll say two things. One is that Israel was, in my view, kind of a petri dish, along with Australia and Canada for this rollout, but also for the green pass the two tier society, which is so paradoxical that people who, practically in living memory escaped to two-tier society would have embraced it so unquestioningly. But also, I'm not sure that the records are pristine. You know, we've seen a lot of fudging of the data, for instance, at the CDC. And I don't know if media is free to report I know there's some good independent journalists in Israel, our wonderful editor, [name untelligible] is actually based in Israel. And she's part of that, you know, independent media network. So I'll ask her about that. But I guess the last thing I would say, which is a little bit mind-blowing is the batches are not all the same. And they're huge variations in Yeah, in contamination and manufacturing, and even in storage. So literally, if Israel was able to have facilities that kept the injections at the appropriate, incredibly cold temperatures, which a lot of countries really didn't have, or the instructions were tampered with, so that it was left at room temperature, or, you know, too warm and it coalesces in, in above certain temperatures. Even that could explain I mean, we're seeing we're seeing whole classes of people be taken out, you know, selectively and in Canada, 180 doctors and healthcare workers have died suddenly, in Austria, 50 mayors died. If you look at comedians and athletes, will athletes have that surge of adrenaline which could be causative, but, you know, film stars, musicians, there's this disproportionate taking out globally of what I would say is leadership, including cultural leadership. So I don't know if Israel you know, got to sidestep that through their agreement with Pfizer, which is in fact in agreement with Pfizer and the Chinese Communist Party because they they're both in an MOU manufacturing and distributing this or if there's some other explanation, like you know, incomplete reporting, but it's super interesting because that is an anomaly Right. So if all over the western world, there are these excess deaths, and you know, massive disabilities working age populations, and Israel is spared, there's a reason for it.
Susan Lapin 35:12
I need to just ask because you think comedians or some group like that? How does that I mean, it's not like comedians were sent into room A and told you, we'll give you your shots here. But if you're a journalist, we'll give you a shot in a different room. So I'm not following how your
Naomi Wolf 35:30
Well, this is just a hypothesis. But you know, you, you opened our discussion by noting that I go, where the question leads me whether or not I get in trouble. To me, that's just good journalism. Right. That used to be how we did journalism, you look at the evidence and something's anomalous, and you ask questions about it. Journalists have stopped doing that. But to me, it's obvious that statistically, if certain groups of people are being mandated in certain groups of people, which they are, right, I mean, that's part of how you get these outcomes in Hollywood, all the actors were mandated. Not all professions were mandated in the same way. But also, when if you look at people kind of dramatically dropping dead at in a way that seems different from the background, level of dropping dead and I haven't seen studies breaking this out, it's, it's really quite impressionistic. A lot of this is from Mark Crispin Miller's died suddenly, where he looks at groups of, you know, comedians, collapsing actors collapsing, politicians collapsing I've noticed. Then what I know from the Pfizer documents is that it's very, very easy to do what you just said. I mean, that's why I was so scared when I almost died in a hospital setting because it's very easy to get like a dissident, or, you know, an unvaccinated or a, you know, critic or whatever code. You know, it's all done through AI. And it's very easy to assign a more dangerous injection, for example. But the Maderna injection has more than three times the active ingredients, the dangerous active ingredients as the Pfizer, Pfizer has 30 micrograms for an adult in Moderna has 100, so more than three times the amount. And in the plaza documents, they experimented with 100 microgram dose and stopped due to its reactogenicity, it was too dangerous for Pfizer even to experiment with. So it is, you know, could be as simple as well, this is the brand we have, you know, when you come in for your shot. And as I mentioned, it could be as simple as dosage or storage. I mean, what people have done is that, you know, talked about the temperature issue, but also, these are not single-dose vials, they're multi-dose vials, and they're open. Right? So they're kept open. They're like six doses in a vial. So that's so sloppy. Right. But the bottom line is, it's very, and we've seen that Pfizer has sent out faulty labeling, you know, to give very dangerous doses, including to children,
Daniel Lapin 38:20
And pregnant women, astonishingly.
Naomi Wolf 38:23
Exactly. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, why were they pushing so hard, so hard for a vaccine database? Right? What purpose? You know, if all you want to do is make sure someone's vaccinated in public, you could give them a piece of paper instead of a digital vaccine passport. The reason I have a digital vaccine passport is and I run a tech company. So I understood this very early on and made a viral video in March of 2021. A vaccine passport is a social credit system. So if you have a database, and they wanted one unwanted still want are still creating a database of everyone in America, for instance, you know, who's vaccinated who's not, it's 20 minutes of coding to add everything I've said on social media about a vaccine or about the Biden administration, to my file, basically, and then when I go into the hospital, I mean, they wanted it to to put me on a feeding tube. And, you know, we've seen the loved ones of medical freedom fighters or, you know, constitutional freedom fighters, be intubated be given remdesivir You know, medical murder, according to people like Dr. McCulloh are in these protocols. So that's an I haven't written this essay yet. But I you know, I had this experience in a hospital where I saw that it was all being done through AI so you no longer have like that human conscience going, wait, don't intubate this woman, you know, but the AI doesn't have that human conscience. So it's very, very easy now, just with a code, you know, that could see something like unvaccinated or, you know, C for critic, you know, it's very easy for the AI to assign that person in an emergency situation remdesivir or intubation or a ventilator and not the person who is C for compliant. Right? I'm not saying I've proven that I'm saying that we're seeing boring. Exactly, we're seeing the outcomes of differential groups having problems that requires more investigation and could be easily explained, given the nature of AI at this point, and some of the nature of the manufacturing distribution.
Daniel Lapin 40:41
Dr. Naomi, in in March of last year, I think it was in March, you wrote a piece, which was fascinating to me, you spoke about people who were essentially coming to, in a way, seek your permission to lie low and not to speak out. And, and people sort of admired as as if your courage was somehow injected by some kind of amazing vaccine, which they had not been fortunate enough to acquire. And you you sort of dismissed them and you said, No, I'm it's not that I'm courageous. It's that you're a bunch of cowards. That's pretty much what you what you said
Naomi Wolf 41:29
It was stronger language than that Rabbi, but I will not. Correct.
Daniel Lapin 41:36
So I, I I'll tell you there was there was an amazing piece. There wasn't. Again, it was it was short and punchy, but very courageous. I'll tell you, honestly, and I'm not obviously I'm not trying to flatter you. I'm trying to make a point. That it to me it sounded like the article Solzhenitsyn released the day he was arrested in February 1974. Called Live Not By Lies. And that essentially, was what you were telling people, you know, how will you be able to face the future, knowing that you participated in the lie? So during this whole process, you will clearly isolated and villainized and criticized by people who had formerly been part of your life, friends, family, professional associates, you are severely ostracized? Where did the Where did the courage come from? Where did the guts come from? To be able to do what all these other people were not only not doing, but were hoping to get your certification, your sign-off that they were okay. Because they didn't, they couldn't risk some of the things though, you're not only risks, paying the price, you did pay the price on some of these things. And you knew what? Wednesday? You still saw? Yes. So where does where does that come from? Where does that inner resource from?
Naomi Wolf 43:17
Thank you, Rabbi for putting it so kindly. And one thing I'll just add to your summary is that one reason I wrote that essay and was so angry about these people who were DMing me saying, You're so brave, I agree with you, but I'm not gonna say it in public, is that I felt like they were kind of offloading their responsibility on to those few of us who were at very few at that time, you know, out front taking the slings and arrows. So I'd love to think that I'm just super courageous, but in fact, I'm not particularly courageous. I'm a student of history. And so what that means is, I know and, and a huge part of what I do now, Rabbi is informed by this book I wrote that you mentioned in 2007, called the End of America, because there I had the opportunity to read back in history, times in places seven of them six or seven of them, in which a democracy was crushed, or subverted, by totalitarians, whether on the left or on the right, so they all take the same 10 steps, there's a map. As a result, I was able to recognize early on over we're at step 10, which is emergency law, and it's only 2020. You know, you don't get your rights back at this point without a fight.
Naomi Wolf 44:38
And I was also able to recognize other aspects of the map of totalitarianism like a surveillance society or trying to be outside the rule of law or neighbors being encouraged to report on neighbors, the breakup of the family, targeting of you know, popular voices, who are critical. And so on, silencing of journalists, these are all right in that map, I guess what I'm trying to say there is that when I'm speaking up, at this point in the attempt to crush Democracy in America and the parallel attempt to crush democracies in Canada, Britain, Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and so on, I recognize that I get, you know, I lose a lot of income, I, you know, an investor with to a six-figure investment in my company, I'm called a lot of names. The New York Times is preparing a hit piece on me for this weekend or next. You know, I lose a family, I lose friends, I lose professional opportunities, I recognize all of that. But as a student of history, I know that it takes almost no courage now to speak up and lose those things. Because in six months, if I don't speak up, I'm going to be arrested and put in a quarantine camp and not let go.
Naomi Wolf 46:05
And here in New York state, our governor Hogle is trying to open quarantine camps. A lawyer who I know successfully sued her, She appealed. You know, they're trying to open quarantine camps in Washington state, they opened them in Australia, I didn't go to Australia recently, because of their quarantine camps. I asked a senator there, Alex Antic, if I if it was safe. And he said, I can't tell you that it's safe, because they held me for two weeks. And I know what happens once you are in those quarantine camps, China's doing it, you get organ harvested, or they never let you go or they, you know give you I mean, I don't even want to describe it, anything can happen to you a little bit down the road, once you're arrested or you can be switched off. And that's also three months down the road, if we don't speak up, you can be switched off digitally, you can't buy groceries, you can't get medical help. And all of this was kind of trial ballooned, you know, oh, the unvaccinated they shouldn't get medical care. Or you can be disappeared. Right? You know, I mentioned kind of medical murder. So these are all modern versions of what happened in three to six months in 1933. You know, if we remember Nazi history, 1931 1933 is parallels are time, they were ramping up, it was a change in culture. They were enlisting doctors and doctors, professional organizations, to create a culture in Germany of life unworthy of life, or, you know, public health. You know, for the sake of public health, we're going to take your mentally disabled teenager away, and oops, you know, we don't know what how they died, you know, of their own. For, you know, mysterious causes, you're not gonna get your team. Alright, well, then you get 1933. And after that, you know, in six months, the brown shirts, rounded up opposition figures like you and me, religious leaders, like, you know, like you, journalists like me, and the last six remaining journalists and, you know, a handful of other kind of groups and, and beat them, and held them in makeshift basement prisons. This was before concentration camps. And within six months, all of the rest of civil society complied. That's all it took was to demonstrate what happened to these prominent people.
Naomi Wolf 48:28
So I guess what I'm trying to say is, this is not scary. What comes next if we're silent is scary. And I also know from history that you know, as Audrey Lord said, Your silences will not protect you, my silences will not protect me. For sure. It you know, as Robert Kennedy says, You don't comply your way out of tyranny, for sure. If we're all silent, and we just keep our jobs and keep our heads down. It will get worse and they will kill us anyway. Right. So to me, I'm not being particularly like, I don't like it. It's uncomfortable. I guess day to day, it takes courage. But I do know from history that if I don't speak up now, things are you know, it'll be a cattle car, you know, very soon. And I guess the last thing I should credit is I did marry my bodyguard. So I Married really? Yes, I did. I married a man who is and this is again providential. Right. I was getting death threats in 2014. I had to hire a Security Adviser. This my husband, Brian O'Shea comes from decades of the highest level of training by our government, right and military intelligence and other intelligence in the protection clause protection, you know, arms of checking for surveillance devices, you know, escape routes, you know, driving when you're being followed. I mean, I've married like a 007 figure who is providentially prepared to keep me safe. So it allows me it'd be a little less worried about my day-to-day safety than I would have been without him in my life.
Daniel Lapin 50:05
Are you? Sorry, Susan, right back to you in a sec. Are you a Second Amendment supporter? Are you in favor of private ownership of firearms?
Naomi Wolf 50:15
So I can't believe I'm saying this coming from my background. But I did reach that conclusion, that the only thing really keeping us in America, from the fate of Canada and Australia, and New Zealand, and in Australia, New Zealand, they were asked to turn in their guns, you know, I just did in New Zealand podcasts, there
Susan Lapin 50:37
was a whole thing Russia and Germany, I mean, as in Russia, Germany,
Naomi Wolf 50:42
Exactly. So the First Amendment and the Second Amendment are really the only things that have allowed us to be relatively more free at this point in 2023, than then crushed democracies, like Canada and Australia. So I do believe in the Second Amendment, very passionately. Now, I realize our founders were such geniuses, like as vilified as it is, it really isn't, it really is a logical extension of the Fourth Amendment and the First Amendment. And they, they come from the same place. So I know that, you know, in any free society, there are costs, right? I know that there's always going to be gun violence, and innocents who, you know, are, are caught up in, you know, guns in the hands of people who are mentally ill, or off their meds or, you know, fanatics or whatever. But just like in a free society, there's going to be hate speech, you know, there's going to be anti-Semitism, there's going to be, you know, homophobia, there are gonna be all these things we don't like. But those those are the prices, you you have to kind of accept in a free society, because the alternative, you know, as history shows is just that they roll in and you can't fight back. Susan, so
Susan Lapin 52:05
there's a lot of things my husband is sometimes given the analogy, if you wake up in the morning, and you turn on your faucet, and there's no water, and then you look outside, and there's a fire down the block, and, and all these different things are happening. And if you think of them as different things, you're not going to understand there was an earthquake, that they're all the result of the same thing, you have to put it together, there's a lot of things going on. So aside from the home, you know, threat of masking and everything from COVID. At the same time, many, many local governments are deciding shoplifting isn't really a problem, you know, unless you shop with $1,000 Worth, were not going to work. And that has the effect of making first of all, please put his stores out of business. And discouraging people from going to stores. I know I don't go to a mall. It's the more you go online to shop, the more the government and corporations and the bad guys can track you totally. There. We have two children in the medical field. And it is scary what we're hearing. In other words, people with consciences and this is true, I think the law and psychology as well, are not being able to get into law school or medical school if they're honest. And that is basically if you don't agree to things that are undemocratic, and that are really totalitarian, you will not get accepted. And there's a desire to say it's like, it's more important that we have representative people, then people actually can do the work, the job, all these things are happening at the same time. Which means that we're reducing the risk, we're preparing the future to be the leaders in society are going to be people who are bought into this and we see look in Nazi Germany, one of the you know, doctors were one of the biggest groups of SS doctors and lawyers. Were the SS they made up the SS. Yeah. So it's not the idea of oh, we just have to educate people or people are educated, there'll be good, good and education don't go together. But you're making the point that they were pushing us to be on Zoom instead of in person again, if I didn't talk to someone in person, unless there's, you know, I mean, we're not at the point where this listening device put in the tree yet, but if I talk to you on Zoom, that I'm being listened to, totally, all these things are coming together. And I don't know what I'm asking, really. But it seems to me that there's a lot of disparate pieces that you have to see as part of a bigger picture. Like totally hard for people to do because that's why you're called a conspiracy nut. Right? You labeled a conspiracy nut because that's what happens when you start saying, Oh, this isn't just one, you know, official who's not being very wise or someone making a mistake. You're saying, there's really bad things going on?
Naomi Wolf 54:50
Right and they're connected. Can I just ask in what way are people asked to conform to a certain thought process to get into law school?
Susan Lapin 55:01
so I can you know the idea of because when you write your essay, of course, first of all, they can listen to you. But even in medical school, where you have to say there are more, there are 27 or however many there are genders. You know, if someone comes to you and says they're a man, are you able to say I think you have an ectopic pregnancy? No, that could be discriminatory, because they told you, you're a man, they're a man, there's a lot of things going on in medicine that are, are anti-biology. Oh, gosh, you know, being able to recognize that a certain racial group has a higher propensity to diabetes, not because of racism, but to say, let's look at it and see could there be cultural, could there be other things so we can help people know better the people die, then we acknowledge that there are any differences.
Daniel Lapin 55:48
Now I'm going to get into medical school, you have to take a sort of loyalty oath, you have to speak about how medicine in America has been permeated by racism. And, and, and as Susan says, The the gender stuff is, you literally have to raise your right hand and, and say you adhere to these ideas before you get into medical school.
Naomi Wolf 56:13
So no longer just the Hippocratic Oath, a whole,
Susan Lapin 56:16
it's gone. That's
Daniel Lapin 56:17
what it means is if God forbid, you need any medical procedures, or we'll need over the next 10 years, go and have them now, before that next cadre of students make it to the operating room.
Naomi Wolf 56:32
Absolutely. I understand what you're saying. And that's so scary. And it's so scary that whoever's behind this, and I'll get to that season. They're wise enough to target you know, doctors and lawyers, who are such a structural part of any healthy society if they're allowed to
Susan Lapin 56:51
be saved. We already lost education teachers, librarians that's been lost decades ago,
Naomi Wolf 56:57
I didn't realize how badly I had no idea. As I guess one example of that, you know, my kind of awakening, but I thought that it was so bad that you know, books for LGBTQ teens were being removed from, from school libraries. I did not know that the LGBTQ thing is just a pretext for getting porn in schools. And that is shocking, inappropriate, abusive, pornographic material. I had no idea until I started talking to conservatives. Well, let me answer your question, Susan, if I may, and again, I'm very much influenced by, again, my husband, Brian O'Shea, who is an intel analyst by training. And so he persuaded me starting early on in 2020. He said, This is China. This is China. This is China. I'm like, Honey, I love you. But that's crazy. And then he showed me the primary source documentation. So what I have learned from him and other China watchers, like General Spalding and Michael Singer, is that the Chinese Communist Party and China as a civilization, right, it's not about Chinese people. It's about an approach to warfare. They don't wage war, like the West, which our model is a Chess or checkerboard, and armies coming at each other like that visibly on a battlefield. That the Chinese military tradition, going back centuries is more like a game of Go, that Chinese game where you encircle your adversary, bit by bit by bit as quietly as possible. And specifically, the Chinese Communist Party really believes in multi-generational, like we look 4 years down the line, they look, dynasties down the line, right, a multi-generational action against an adversary and waging warfare through other means. It's called unrestricted warfare. So I've been persuaded by him and other China watchers that we are at war, we just don't know it. We're being targeted by China, aligned with World Economic Forum, World Health Organization, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. But that that means that, you know, China's buying up our farmland, China's, as I mentioned, producing these injections that are killing our next generation. China is buying up our ports. China's buying up our waters out of the Great Lakes. China is absolutely buying up our Ivy League universities and putting ideologies in place that are really Marxist like really Marxist and race. And you know, we have a history of racial issues in this country, no question but the Marxist wedge into destroying our unity and our pride in our ability to fight back as a country, a multi-ethnic country is to use race and like trans issues. is to break apart in a sense of, Well unity across these lines, but also any pride in our history or any knowledge of our history.
Naomi Wolf 1:00:11
And so I see that happening, you know, they're very invested in Hollywood, they, you know, I've seen a complete change, they're targeting the family, kids began to be disrespectful. And, you know, family movies began to be very sexualized about 10 or 15 years ago. There's this attack on the family attack on children. And you can see this everywhere. So this is and things keep blowing up, you know, our food supply keeps blowing up, or did their derailments When did this happen? You know, 10 or 15 years ago, that didn't happen. We were an intact, peaceful civil society. So to me, these are, you know, cyber attacks. These are signs of this warfare that's being waged against us. And my husband and his colleagues are also very worried about the open border, millions of fighting each men from authoritarian regimes pouring in, we don't know where they're going. We don't know. I mean, you know, my husband from his military background is where he was a special operator. So he's like, they would drop us in a country with a credit card and a cell phone. And that's exactly what these college are these fighting each men are getting a credit card in a cell phone. And so military people are worried about like sleeper cells, basically that, you know, at a signal they can all they're here, right? You don't know where they are, they could be down the block, that could be a militia, and the same token Canada, right, they could invade from the north because they're wholly owned by China. But I guess the point that I've been persuaded by by all this documentation is that China's methodology, they plan to be the world's hegemonic by 2049, which is the 100 year anniversary of their revolution. And they, they want and they in the World Economic Forum want to do away with America as a superpower they want to do away with Western Europe, democracies are in their way for their vision. And so before there's ever an invasion, there may never need to be an invasion, right? Because we're being brought to our knees culturally and in other ways,
Daniel Lapin 1:02:17
in one way. Sorry, Susan,
Susan Lapin 1:02:19
gonna say can you, um, Naomi may not be familiar. You said 10-15 years - just mention your book, America's Real War, which was 1991 I think
Daniel Lapin 1:02:28
91 Yeah, right.
Naomi Wolf 1:02:31
Do you mean my first books of you know
Susan Lapin 1:02:32
my husband's book? I want my husband.
Daniel Lapin 1:02:36
What do you want to bring out on that Susan.
Susan Lapin 1:02:39
that I think it's more than 10 or 15 years and other words? My husband
Naomi Wolf 1:02:45
really sorry. You wrote about this long before I ever knew about it. So forgive my not knowing.
Susan Lapin 1:02:50
With America's Real war, an orthodox rabbi insists that Judeo-Christian values are necessary for our nation survival. When you were one of the letters we got to talk, it was pre-canceling, because in those days, we weren't online.
Daniel Lapin 1:03:04
The only people who canceled us back then were Jews,
Susan Lapin 1:03:07
like the hate mail we got and that was when we started working very strongly. We have been working since then with evangelical Christians and religious leaders of other faiths, and realizing that it was that it was division and I'll put it, you step in Daniel, because this is your book, but the division between those who saw Judeo-Christian values as an impediment to progress and a wonderful world and those who saw them as necessary and the basis of a wonderful world, and America, when we learned a lot of American history in writing the book, we found out how much the Founding Fathers and going back to England in the you know, the jurists there, took out of basically a Jewish what we call ancient Jewish wisdom. [Right]. And I, I know that you are, you know, fascinated with the Bible. Well, we are as well, we've been teaching it for decades. And the Hebrew there's a lot in Hebrew that's not in English. And of many of the founding fathers and including the Bible that came with the Puritan - Puritans or pilgrims?
Daniel Lapin 1:04:17
The Ainsworth Bible,
Susan Lapin 1:04:18
Bible, they knew my mind at ease. They knew Rashi they really well, we call ancient Jewish wisdom. It was part of what went into the founding of America.
Naomi Wolf 1:04:28
Now I've got to read your book.
Susan Lapin 1:04:30
there was a push to move away to the Bible is, you know, old and it's out of date and everything. Anyway, so I just want to say it has been sliding for a long time.
Naomi Wolf 1:04:41
Oh, That's so important
Daniel Lapin 1:04:42
You're being very generous with your time and I know we have to start bringing it in for a landing. But I have to ask you, what is your husband Brian O'Shea feel about climate change? Is it a desperate and perhaps the most serious threat to life on Earth? Or is it a wealth transfer and Power Transfer hoax? What
Naomi Wolf 1:05:02
we do have that is the one thing we totally don't agree on.
Daniel Lapin 1:05:06
And that's why I asked what he felt.
Naomi Wolf 1:05:09
He thinks that it's a, I wouldn't say he thinks to hoax. He thinks that it's a trick. Because if you look at the Paris Treaty and the other treaties, they allow China to keep polluting, while we switch to agree in which China controls, he has persuaded me about that the risk of being an all electric grid that China controls. But I still do believe there's, you know, a serious threat. And if you're, if you're not persuaded with carbon emissions there, there are other horrible threats that I think, you know, the right would do well to kind of join forces with the left.
Daniel Lapin 1:05:49
How about January the sixth, the biggest threat to American democracy since the War of 1812?
Naomi Wolf 1:05:58
That's another tough one, Rabbi, you're asking me these very big questions.
Daniel Lapin 1:06:02
No, just because you're, you amaze me. And so I'm pushing the edge here, just just want to see. And I'm going to say where I want to see where your current limits are. Because if I would have spoken to you 10 years ago, would have been a very different conversation from today. And if we speak again, in a few years time, it will probably be different again, because you're you're you're you're not a monument, you're you're obviously a passionate living person who is growing and changing as we all should be doing every single day.
Naomi Wolf 1:06:30
So fair enough. And I did write an essay about January 6. So you know, I never, it's never right to be violent. It's never right to stop any democratic processes. That said, I did look at the history of the Capitol. And walking into the Capitol, it's a public building like was the incredible takeaway, and it's always been a public building since it was built. And so people, like in legacy media, people were depicted as criminals and terrorists for walking into the building, and assembling and that is wrong, because that's their job as citizens. And I guess I also learned from Tucker Carlson's release of additional January 6 footage, that some of the representation of what happened was not correct. And there are some real questions to be raised. About, you know, weird security aberrations. Basically, I'll put it that way,
Daniel Lapin 1:07:24
The way for people and, and I think you're all getting the picture, I'm speaking to our audience that you're getting a picture of, of courage and an indispensable view from an influential person. She is somebody that when the history book gets written, and America survives, God willing the current crisis through which we're going her name, Dr. Naomi Wolf will feature among the the heroes and you will want to see more about her work, you will want to support her work and you'll want to go to Daily Clout dailyclout.io, dot India, Oscar, and we'll put we'll put the link in the description below so you'll be able to get it. But you will also be able to find out more about a book. It is a book, isn't it? The the the the Pfizer documents analysis? And is that already available?
Naomi Wolf 1:08:33
It is if you go to Amazon, so
Daniel Lapin 1:08:37
we'll we'll make sure we let people know exactly how to get hold of that because you really do deserve our support for what you modestly disclaimed, but it's nonetheless a reality, your courage? What What was it like when friends loved ones family colleagues, said, Are you mad? Don't you understand there is a public health crisis and you are trying to kill people? How did you deal with that?
Naomi Wolf 1:09:06
It's very painful, you know, remains painful. And a lot of my former friends and loved ones didn't even engage in that conversation. They just sent emails breaking up with me basically. Or saying, I don't you know, I don't sit outside with him vaccinated people. I don't sit indoors with unvaccinated people like I'll never see you again. And people did say you You killed my brother you like you know, you're on the side of murderers. How do I deal with it? Look, I mean, we barely touched on this but I do believe in God. And I believe I'm answerable to God and however mad people get at me if I know I'm saving lives, especially the lives of the most innocent you know, voiceless people, which are, you know, unborn babies and babies and children. That's my first responsibility and everything will kind of shake out in the end, but I don't think I could I know I'll die someday. And I don't think I could face my Creator if I didn't, you know, if I kept my friends but lost my conscience.
Daniel Lapin 1:10:13
Would you ever have thought of life in terms of your relationship with your Creator while you were at College in Oxford?
Naomi Wolf 1:10:20
I think secretly I did it. But it was definitely taboo to discuss in our sophisticated circles. And I no longer accept that taboo. I think it's intended to weaken us. I like I would love to spend an hour talking about your book next time because I now thoroughly convinced that there is a targeting of Judeo-Christian values by our enemies to see us because they keep us strong.
Daniel Lapin 1:10:45
And, Susan, I know I have about 12 More questions to ask which we're not going to
Susan Lapin 1:10:50
get to the clock and going oh, no,
Daniel Lapin 1:10:53
you probably have a have the same. Is there anything as we wrap up is anything you? I mean, because if not, I've got a last couple of one or two quickies that I'd love to steal.
Susan Lapin 1:11:03
Look, I wrote something and said last questions. I have to see what I wrote. Oh, you will? This is a kind of a thing. You know, last night wasn't a Republican debate the Democrat side? I mean, you're still read and you hear from, you know, the New York Times how vibrant Joe Biden is. I mean, we're, we've given up on the media telling the truth and is up to me. You know, very often, conservatives have said the Democratic party saw worked for generat -- looked at generations ahead where the Republican Party looked at the next election. Does this next election matter? Are we beyond that? I mean, that it, you and your book, The about COVID, with calling for resistance? And of course what that that word can mean a lot of things to different people. But is did the next elections even matter? Are we beyond the where is there anything that could change if the right person? You know, I appreciate first of all, to say we as Jews appreciated very much your defense of RFK, Jr. on the Anne Frank comment. He made a comment for which he was attacked. We had a we were exactly on the same page. This was he was absolutely right in what he said, it may have not have been politic because the minute you say Nazi holocaust Anne Frank, you're immediately going to be labeled as anti-semitic, by people. But we agreed with you. And I'm going to trust our leader on time to explain what he said. I don't personally think he should be president. But I'm extremely grateful that he's out there speaking. Is this does this election matter? Are we beyond elections, and we really need to resistance more from the ground up rather than hoping that somebody from the top down is going to save us?
Naomi Wolf 1:12:50
Well, you're right to caution against kind of savior impulses that you know, will be saved by by one hero, someone outside of ourselves
Daniel Lapin 1:13:02
last time that brought us Barack Obama.
Naomi Wolf 1:13:04
I mean, it never brings us anything good. Because if there's not a strong, empowered, group of citizens who understand how to use democracy, you can elect someone great. And they'll turn into a tyrant in no time. I mean, and this is nonpartisan, it's trans-partisan. So I I'm worried right now about our the integrity of our election process. And if we don't fix that, there's no point in anything, because they'll just keep running their World Economic Forum, candidates and making them win forever. So Daily Clout, I'm really pleased to announce is focusing for the next 14 months on passing an election integrity bill, in all 50 states like we did with the five freedoms bill, paper ballots, you need ID to vote same day voting in person voting and public counting, and getting rid of machines. And if we do nothing more, our elections are going to be so much more accurate. New Hampshire has this system, for instance, and then they never have any question about who won because it's publicly counted with paper ballots. So we need help passing that. So if there are people want to support us, we really need your help. We're with the lawyers right now, drafting that bill. And that's expensive. But that's what I'm, I'm focused on. And the other thing I'm focused on is explaining to people how to drive their democracy as the way I put it in America, but also in Europe, like people have to understand what's left of their democracy, right and make use of it. Very hard in Europe because of the EU kind of disembowling nation state level legislation. but on Daily Clout for instance, you'll see something called Bill camp, which is an I'm really proud of it. to a government database, which we've made very interactive, where you can send any state or federal bill through social media, you can read it, you can comment on it, you can share it with your friends, people have used this tool to stop bad bills and advance good bills, or make changes to bills that are in draft form. We need that. And we need that for every one of the 132 democracies in the world. So again, we're hoping to build that for everybody. But in the meantime, you know, people have to stop. And I'm speaking to Europe now and Australia, stop handing over your power to your parliamentarians, your EU ministers, you have to look at your own local legislation, legislative processes and meet with your MP see the bill, lobby around the bill. You know, do your part to be a citizenry that can't be ignored.
Daniel Lapin 1:15:53
Naomi, would you let us impose on you for two more quick questions?
Naomi Wolf 1:15:58
Yes. And then I do I fear have to leave
Daniel Lapin 1:16:00
to, of course, of course you do. You see an alignment between the World Economic Forum and the Chinese Communist Party. How does that work?
Naomi Wolf 1:16:13
That that's an interesting question, I would need to bring you the primary source documents that were brought to me, but one way for instance, is through funding. And, and through who is tasked with being at the helm of, of policies. But let me let me send you the primary source documents. Okay, wonderful. easier example with an allied organization is the World Health Organization, which is, you know, the second biggest funder is China and China appoints who sits on a number of subcommittees and enacts global policy.
Daniel Lapin 1:16:55
Okay, that's important. And And finally, I am persuaded that the Bible is the foundation of Western civilization. And so, my attitude towards the Bible or the Torah is, either it is God's message to mankind, in which case, I need to spare no effort in order to understand because I'm not interested in theology, which is what men say about God, I couldn't care less. I'm only interested in what God said about men. Or alternatively, it is the fictitious creation of long ago, Bedouin tribes, talking about anachronistic events and forgotten nations. And if it's the latter, then it's not worth spending two minutes on. If it's the former, then no effort is too high. What is your response to that sort of declaration?
Naomi Wolf 1:17:58
I think it's a little dualistic. I think, God clearly. I think God clearly speaks through faulty, poorly organized human beings all the time. And that's why we don't know exactly what God wants hardest. We try to figure it out. Because always it's refracted through, you know, like, Moses stammered and said, Don't choose me. You know, like, Jonah said, don't choose me. It could have been both right. It could have been God showing up to a bunch of veterans, the veterans saying don't choose us, you know. So, I guess so I was trained as a literary critic. I'm not a religiously trained person. But I do read Hebrew and I do read 16th and 17th century Elizabethand and pre-Elizabethan typography. So I did start reading the Geneva Bible. I'm interested in what you describe the Ainsley Bible, I'm not familiar with it, [Ainsworth] Beg your pardon I'll have to investigate. But the Geneva Bible and the Hebrew translation has been blowing my mind. Because the persona of God is so different in the Hebrew Bible and in the Geneva Bible than the persona of God that we've been presented with which we've been presented through poor translations and bad theology for the subsequent years. But bottom line is in the original God is much nicer and more caring, more concerned with human beings, not irrational, not distant, not arbitrary. And the latter is totally how I was taught even in a conservative, you know, Hebrew school, I was taught that God is distant. He, you know, you can't reach him, he's gonna erupt in some arbitrary demand. He's gonna ask you to sacrifice your son. So that's been a revelation to me. And I guess what I would say is as a literary critic, If you can't, like there is a voice of God in the Genesis, which is just as far as I've gotten, that is so characteristic of another being that is not like beyond human right? That is as clear as like the voice of Melville in Moby Dick. You know, there's just this, this meta human voice, and it's a whole complete personality with a whole complete worldview that human beings would not be capable of. So, to me, that's incredibly exciting. And also just the Hebrew like, like going to the original and seeing how much wordplay that is beyond what any human writer could come up with, you know, like embedded in a single word. Right? And I mean, Hebrews amazing because it's so comes from the show ash, which has three consonants, but it's, it's just like, the embroidery of God's Word with God's word is is more beautiful and sophisticated than any human writer or group of bedouins or, you know, priest, or rabbi, nobody forgive me. But, you know, religious ever come up with that? Well, you know, that's my evidence.
Daniel Lapin 1:21:13
You mentioned Moses, being a stammerer and your love of Hebrew, it won't come as a surprise to you that the Hebrew doesn't ever say he was a stammerer. And the Hebrew says, [Hebrew spoken]. I'm not a man of words. And what that means things, right, yes, but what when somebody says, Look, I'm not a man of words, what he really means is, I'm a man of action, not words. And here's why. That's why when Moses encounters an Egyptian, beating up an Israelite, he does not hold a symposium on increasing sources of Egyptian anti-semitism, he acts, he's not some kind of words, he's a man of action. And his protest to God is "look don't send me on a negotiating mission to Pharaoh, I'm not a man of words, I like action." And I, and I finish up on this, because you are a man of action as well, clearly. You are, you are, although you are obviously gifted with words, the direction in which the words inexorably push is somebody has to do something and the somebody's probably us, and that's what I have. So the Daily Clout is how we stay in touch with you and your efforts. The Daily Clout is how we learn more, and how we can support your work. So the daily cloud is going to be the next place that we meet, I do hope we'll be able to welcome you back again to this show, Dr. Wolf, you've brought not only pleasure, but but even hope and optimism to Susan and to me, so thank you so much for your time, we deeply appreciate it. And Susan, closing words.
Naomi Wolf 1:23:08
you said it perfectly. I have nothing to add. Thank you. Thank you, Susan.
Naomi Wolf 1:23:11
Thank you so much, Rabbi.
Susan Lapin 1:23:14
Thanks for listening to this interview. As we said before started there was so many questions we did not get to. If you are interested in reading Dr. Naomi Wolf's book The Bodies of Others, the subtitle is the new authoritarians. COVID-19, and the war against the human. And if you see here, it says Best Selling Author of the End of America and Give Me Liberty. So she has really, I have to say I'm sure you've heard from the interview. This is one courageous woman who is willing to stand up and fight for what she believes in. And we felt it was a privilege to speak to her.
Daniel Lapin 1:23:50
I know that she's lost many friends over her new, her new look at reality. I'm trying to remember if we asked her then I think we are on the show. So absolutely. So thanks very much indeed. Please take a look on Amazon at our new book. It's days away from release, you will receive it in only a matter of days from now, if you go ahead and preorder the pre orders very important. Like it was it's, it's been released September 26. Right. Yeah. So, so it's coming, I suppose. Yeah, no, it's quite. So the book is called Thou Shall Prosper. Oh,
Susan Lapin 1:24:38
No it isn't. Try again. Second try.
Daniel Lapin 1:24:41
Okay, yeah, we're not going to edit that outro just we'll just go with it as it is. It's called The Holistic You: how to integrate your faith, your family, your finance, your fitness and your friendships. All together. You into a fulfilling and complete life. So, The Holistic You that's on Amazon. Also, if you haven't yet subscribed to the podcast or whatever platform you listen to, we'd love you to do that. And until next week, we are grateful for your opportunity to be together with you on the show. And we wish you a week of progress and growth in your five F's, in your family, in your finances, in your faith, your fitness, and your friendships. Till next week from us, God bless you.
