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The Rabbi Daniel Lapin Podcast
Episode: Should Jews Leave America? | She Went to Egypt Seeking Answers. Learn From What She Experienced
Date: 09/25/2026 Length: 01:03:55
Susan Lapin (00:01)
Hi everyone, thanks for joining us. My husband and I are really excited today to welcome Karen Hunt. Karen has a very unique perspective on what is going on in the world today, specifically the Islamic world and the Muslim world and how it is affecting and the threat to Western civilization. And I will quickly say Karen was in Egypt as a child with her family and her parents. And then she returned as an adult. And rather than my giving a little bio of you and how that came about, w I would really appreciate it if you would introduce yourself, Karen.
Karen hunt (00:39)
I'd be happy to. Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here with you and to be able to share my story because, as you say, it is rather unique. And I think I came to the realization that it was very important for me to share my story because there is so much disinformation out there about the reality of life, basically living under Sharia law, particularly as a Westerner. So as a child, I had a unique upbringing. my father was a very devoted.
I guess one could say evangelical Christian because that is a big hot topic nowadays, evangelical Christianity. I grew up in the Plymouth Brethren Church, which is now a big topic. I always thought it was rather obscure, but for various reasons, now within theology, it's become rather important. And so I had all of that in my background. And my father was a successful businessman, but he was also a very devout Christian. And one evening, we would pray every night. We'd get together as a family and pray every night. And one night he gathered us all into a study and he said, You know, God's spoken to me and he's told me that I need to become a writer and stop at being a businessman. And so that's what I'm going to do. And we're going to take off to travel the world so I can gain inspiration for my books. Not a common thing to happen. I was 10 years old at the time. And I had older a sister, older brother, a younger brother and my mom. And so that's basically what we did. We took off. It was the year was 1966 to let you know how old I am. And we started traveling. We had all kinds of incredible adventures, sort of just you know, going where God would lead us, as my dad said. We did things like smuggling Bibles into communist countries. and but the main thing that really affected my life, the trajectory that sent me on a course. That led me to then living in Egypt later was that we actually ended up unbeknownst to us at the time in Cairo just days before the start of the Six Day War. So there
Susan Lapin (02:48)
Wow.
Karen hunt (02:48)
we were in our bright red VW van with a big USA sticker on the back of it, and wondering why hmm, there's really not many other tourists but us here, you know. And in the streets, I will never forget Nasser's voice screaming on loudspeakers. There were loudspeakers. Speakers throughout the streets, screaming, Death to America and its douge, Israel. That's what was and men in the streets, you know, carrying guns and you know, screaming along with the voice of Nazar. My dad was determined to get to Israel because he loved Israel, and that was going to be the height of all of our travels was getting to Israel. So he was still determined to get there. So we traveled down to or upper Egypt, Egypt, but it's actually traveling down to Luxor. And Luxor was like it was a completely different world. It was calm, didn't have the chaos of Cairo and it I it made a huge impression on me and I just loved it there. I've written about this in in my essays, but I had a an incredible experience talking with a Nubian sailor on the boat. I was a very I was a very curious child even at that age and had many, many questions. And we actually stayed in the in the Winter Palace because there were they were so desperate. We weren't - We were saving money but there were they were so desperate for people to stay there because there were no tourists so we were able to stay there.
And one night I we dragged our mattresses because nothing worked in the our hotel room despite it being a luxury hotel. Their air conditioning didn't work. So we dragged a mattress out onto the balcony and I remember asking my dad, you know, why because I'd had this wonderful experience with this talking with this Nubian sailor who was so such a devout Muslim and I said, Why aren't they going to heaven? you know. Why aren't these people going to heaven? It just doesn't seem right. They seem as devout, even more devout, than many Christians that I know. And he totally just said, you know, blatantly said, no, Islam is not, you know, they don't serve God. And it, you know, it's a dangerous religion, and he really spoke out against it. And I didn't want to accept what he had to say. I had many
Susan Lapin (04:58)
If I can interrupt a minute, I 'cause I read in one of your essays that you were actually disturbed by the fact that your father seemed to assume that the Muslims would lie to him and that he assumed they couldn't be trusted and as a ten year old girl, you felt if I can use the word bigoted, you felt that that was wrong of him and that was.
Karen hunt (05:16)
Yeah, I did and I mean I wasn't the one trying to get things done. I was we yeah, I was a kid following around my dad, so I didn't realize and he would always be so frustrated and I rarely saw my dad angry, but he would get so angry and saying, All they do is lie, all they do is lie, you know, every single opportunity they get to take advantage of you, they will lie. And we visited many countries and this was the country that that he's and Morocco as well, you know, Egypt and Morocco, that part of the world but so I didn't really wanna accept what he had to say and we went into a tourist agency to try and still get to Israel. We're thinking we're gonna drive across the finite desert, you know. what did we know? And my dad said, we wanna go to Israel. And again, and Arabs in even when they're calm, they're very dramatic, you know. So this tourist agent just screamed again at my dad.
Israel does not exist, you know. And my dad, of course, knowing who he was, just said very calmly back to him, but with authority, yes it does. And of course the man screamed again louder, no it doesn't. And no matter what my dad said or did or tried to reason, we did not get to Israel. We ended up having basically to escape out of Egypt into Lebanon, trying to still trying to get out from figure out a way to get to Israel, couldn't do it, and ended up going out through Syria, over the mountains, into Turkey, just 36
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (06:53)
Wow.
Karen hunt (06:54)
hours before the borders were closed. And I remember going through these villages, you know, this wild territory. And again, you know, the men they had like bayonets, guns with you know, these like sharp points on the top, and going through these villages and just knowing that more and more anxious. That we needed to get out of there. So that was the experience that I had as a child. We traveled quite a bit more. I had more adventures as a teenager doing that sort of thing. But I had these questions. I didn't want to accept that, you know, every everyone's well basically that everyone's going to hell except Christians. I didn't want I didn't feel like I had the authority to say that about anybody. And but my dad then did become a very highly regarded, a very successful Christian author over the years. And one of the main things that he would write about and warn about and speak about was Islam. And he very much believed that in you know the last days that Islam was going to rise up, he even believed that the United States was going to turn against Israel. He believed these things long before you know it was even a really a topic of conversation. And so although I and I as an adult I ended up traveling quite a lot around the world myself.
And I always had this question in the back of my mind. I highly respected my father. I did agree. I always loved Israel. One of the highlights of my life was visiting Israel, but I still didn't want to accept that you know Muslims were this evil force or Islam was this evil force. I believed, well, it's the same God, you know, they maybe they're a little misguided, but and of course there's the jihadist element but you know most are moderate you know what people normally believe and reasonably so and then when I had an opportunity to actually go to Luxor again I had a friend that had married a local guy there and she was she was they were opening an Airbnb and this was in 2018 and so I thought to myself I'm gonna take the opportunity I'm gonna go and really my driving force to go there was to find out for myself the answer to this question about Islam. Is it really this religion that's you know that that's evil that is against God or is or is it just kind of like that? You know, is it this sort of just this really clear-cut
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (09:42)
Right.
Karen hunt (09:43)
Issue that my father would always talk about or can we sort of you know...Mmm massage it to because who wants to be that that mean, you know, to say to say that about another religion. So I really wanted to find that out for myself. I had no I had no I actually I wanted to I wanted I went there wanting to believe that my father was wrong.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (10:07)
Mm-hmm.
Karen hunt (10:08)
And I ended up, you know, escaping out of the country once again. So that's a kind of a background of you know of what led me to there and if you know we we can carry on from there.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (10:19)
Karen, have you been in the United Kingdom or in Germany or France over the last five or ten years?
Karen hunt (10:27)
No, I haven't. I lived there. I lived in England in the in the nineteen eighties and I lived actually between London and a village in what was then Yugoslavia. I was married to a Slovenian pop star at that time. And so I did have the experience of living under communism and know getting to know communism, which I found very interesting to relate that. There's a lot of commonality between communism and Islam that I did recognize at that time but only later on. But no, I haven't been there lately and I really do want to go. and I hope to go soon, but I what from what I hear it's just absolutely terrifying. Yes, what's going on.
Susan Lapin (11:11)
So when I read your Substacks, I can almost see you going like listen to me, listen to me. I feel frustration coming out of you that Americans and you could say Europeans as well, but I'm reading it as an American, that please listen to me. You have to understand what you don't understand. If you had to just say two or three things that you wish Americans would understand, what would they be?
Karen hunt (11:37)
My goodness. You know what I wish that they would do is I wish that they would understand that they need to research for themselves. I think more than anything else, stop just listening to your favorite influencer. Because this it you know it so start researching for yourself and genuinely want to know the truth. Want to know the truth and be prepared to read a few things that last a little bit longer than five seconds. I mean, because I think and as far as my frustration.
The thing of it is that I feel that people they're just asleep. You know, they d they're they've been so hypnotized by social media, by AI. You know, that's another thing that I that I write about, which is not part of this topic, but I think it's so important. It integrates into it so much because people are really so easily indoctrinated now. I mean you can somebody can make a post and algorithms, this is this is a thing, algorithms. Will push it within a few seconds to billions of it can reach billions of people. And other things will be suppressed. So that is also my frustration because we are fighting this online battle. And that's why with every one of my essays, they say, please hit the like button. It takes two seconds. Hit the like button. Thousands of people read this essay. If I'm lucky, a hundred people will hit that like button. If a thousand people hit it, it will go. This is the frustration. It doesn't take a lot. But people are so I don't really I don't know what it is. So yes, I'm a very energetic person and
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (13:34)
Yeah.
Karen hunt (13:35)
You know I want to sort of give that energy to other people and I do get rather frustrated.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (13:41)
Karen, your accounts of your life in Luxor, not the time with your parents it's gripping and scary and you saw first hand venality and deceit and exploitation of non Muslims but did you see anything at all back then that suggested or and do you now see anything that suggests a desire for domination outside of Luxor, beyond the borders of the Arab Street as it were? Is there a Muslim desire to dominate and expand and control?
Karen hunt (14:33)
A hundred percent. what happens what I say about Luxor, what I discovered about Luxor is that it's kind of a microcosm of the rest of what's happening in the rest of the world. And it's really fascinating. I found as I as I really got deep into that world, I found it quite fascinating because it's the West Bank. I was on the West Bank of Luxor. so this is more the like the villages and it's very beautiful. I mean it's a very like just it's an incredible place.
To be in so many ways. It's where the Valley of the Kings is, where the pharaohs have been buried. You're just walking on history everywhere you go. It's really fascinating. But what happens there is that these men, the men that live there, they seduce foreign women who come there and they get them to marry them with this type of contract. And these women are made fun of around the rest of the world because how could anyone be that stupid? It's so obvious if you're outside of it, it's so obvious that, you know, how why would they give all their money to these men? Why would they believe their lies? And all of these kinds of things, and these women get captured in this horrible, horrible, horrific prison, basically, where which they cannot any longer get out of. Now the so that that seems like, well, what does that have to do with the rest of the world?
But what it has to do with the rest of the world is that the mentality of these men that live there, the re and this can happen this happens anywhere in any tourist part of the world. So people will say, well, that happens anywhere. It does. But it's different because it's all b it they are justified because of Islam. So that's what takes it to another deeper level of deceit and cheating and lying. You know, I've been in Costa Rica, you know, the people will break into your home and steal from you. That's wrong. They know it's wrong. Everybody knows it's wrong. They get caught, they go to jail. Nobody you can leave your home open in Luxor. Nobody's going to break into your home and steal anything out of it, your villa or wherever you live. But they are going to deceive you on a much deeper level and that and believe that they have the right to do it because you are an infidel. So that so they are not wrong in what they are doing. And they will not get in trouble for what they are doing. You are the one who will get in trouble. So that is the difference. And so I relate that to I mean, these men will do that in Luxor, but they will also marry these women and then move to their country. So a lot of it is to get a visa to move to the West, and this happens. I belong to many groups of women married to Muslim men, Egyptian men, and how the horrific stories that happens to these women, how they're deceived. They might bring their husband to England, wherever, and then that man takes everything from them there, unbeknownst to the woman, marries an Egyptian girl back home, and ends up bringing that Egyptian woman to England or wherever, and have and having more children. So, whatever children that they have, even if the Western woman does not convert to Islam, the child, any child that they have is automatically Muslim. Everything relates to Islam. If you go to any Islamic country in the Middle East as a foreigner, when you fill out the form going into the country, you have to put what religion you are. Everything is based on this. So this is a way to expand Islam as well. They can marry up to four wives. So they are going, you know, they can do this and have as many children as possible. And the other way that it relates to the West is that when people make fun of these women in Luxor and say, Why are they deceived? Actually, what I say back to them, and this is the premise of the book that I'm almost finished with, is called The Seduction of Islam. The whole entire West has been seduced in the same way. They don't see that they have fallen for Islam and they are just as blind, just as seduced by this as these women in Luxor. So that's what I'm trying to say to people is that please look at this story of what happens because you think that that could never happen to you, but it is happening to you right now. So that's how I relate it to this - to the bigger perspective of what's going on in the West.
Susan Lapin (19:27)
So can you help me because I think a lot of people, first of all, just like you, when you were saying you were a child and you were having trouble listening to what your father was trying to say, I think Americans in particular don't like the idea of, well, I'm gonna lump everybody together in one way. And they may know a Muslim neighbor, they may know a Muslim shopkeeper or a doctor. the person who ran when the Bandai massacre in in Australia was happening.
One of the men who tackled those men those Muslim men who were shooting was a Muslim himself. you know, just personally, we had an experience where our daughter was having a was in the hospital giving birth and there was a Muslim doctor with a lapel pin from Palestine who was not her doctor, but she felt that my daughter's doctor were was pushing her to have a cesarean when she didn't need to, and she stayed after her shift.
She went into our daughter's room and she basically took over the delivery. So people may know a perfectly lovely Muslim. And now, how do we put that together with the fact that, well, yes, that's true. Your personal experience is true, but you've got to be able to understand more than that.
Karen hunt (20:46)
Absolutely. And I would never say anything I against and you know, there are many wonderful, lovely, as you say, moderate Muslims. And they should have every right to worship, you know, practice their religion. Nobody should stop them from doing that. The only thing that I would say, and with the knowledge that I have now, because of course that's how you know that's how I have always believed is that I mean it doesn't matter, Hindu, Christian, Jewish, whatever you are, you need to be free to practice your religion. And in fact that's the only way that you that anyone will come to a full realization of truth. You cannot force anyone to come to you know, the truth of who God is or anything like that. People have to go on their own journey. I fully believe that. The thing of it is, I really struggled with this and I came to a kind of an epiphany after I left Egypt, which was Islam, moderate Muslims, they're you know, and with all due respect, they're not honest about their religion. They're not being honest about their religion. Because the heart of Islam is the destruction of Israel, kill the extermination of Jews, the extermination of every
infidel unless they bow to Islam. That is the only way that the caliphate will you know be established and their messiah can come back you know at the end of time. So if you get to the heart of Islam that is what it is. That is what it is. And so yeah I did a I did I wrote a couple of essays kind of calling I called them laughing at Islam about the hypocrisy of the laws and the rules of Islam based you know based on Christianity or plagiarized from Christianity and Judaism and taken to such an extreme that nobody could ever follow through with those with those commands. Particularly women, and I go into that in in those essays.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (23:08)
Mm.
Karen hunt (23:09)
So everyone I never met more hypocrites than I did in in Luxor. I mean I grew up in the evangelical Christian world. I met a lot of hypocrites, you know. But everybody's a hi everybody's a hypocrite there. And the thing is is that they pick and choose and it's okay because during the month of Ramadan they can somehow redeem themselves and everything's going to be okay. So I would ask for Muslims to be more honest about their religion and what it really means. If you get to the heart of Islam, that is the heart of Islam. It is a very cruel, cruel absolute religion. And then I started thinking about it and I compared it to Christianity. I don't I'm not a religious person, so I'm not a Catholic. I'm not a you I'm not any of those things, but I now call myself simply a follower of Jesus. Because if you take the if you take Christianity and me as a Christian, so I'm gonna talk about that, down to its essence, what was Jesus? You know, Jesus gave his life for the world, for everyone, you know. So Jesus taught love and repentance and his and his first disciples, all Jewish, went out, every single one of them was killed. They did not try to
create as the Christian nationalists are trying to do now, some sort of an empire on earth for Christ. No, that was not what Christ was what Jesus was about. He was about, you know, the your the kingdom in heaven and giving your life, you know. So a Christian martyr, and I knew I had the pleasure of knowing Richard Wormbrand, a Christian martyr. He was first persecuted by the Nazis. He was from Romania for being Jewish, and then he was persecuted by the communists for being Christians. He's Christian, he spent 14 years in communist prison, tortured for Christ. He wrote a book, Tortured for Christ. He was a good friend of my father's. So when he got out of the country, the first place he came was to my home, my parents' home. And I will not forget that experience of meeting this Christian martyr who would have given his life, who loved his enemies, who would save anyone's life compared to a Muslim Islamist, jihadist, who is going to kill himself and take as many people with him and be, you know, get straight into heaven because every Muslim has to go.
You know, to hell first, every single one, before they can get to paradise. But if you if you're a martyr for Islam, you go straight to Paradise and you get all your virgins. I mean that right there, you know, I've written a lot about what that what about those virgins. I mean who would believe this? Who would follow a religion? You know, you can talk to I mean I get frustrated with Muslims too because that is your religion. Do you realize that is your religion? How do you how do you reconcile that? You know?
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (26:23)
Right.
Karen hunt (26:23)
So the heart, if you go back to the essence and the heart of Christianity, it's Jesus. If you go back to the heart and the essence of Islam, it's Mohammed. And this is how I encapsulate all of it. This this is what I bring it bring it down to. If you're a parent and you have a six-year-old child and your only child of and your only options for who is going to babysit your child, your six-year-old daughter, is Mohammed or Jesus. Which one are you going to choose? You know?
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (26:57)
Yeah.
Karen hunt (26:58)
So that yeah, I like to break things down to the simplest level, and that's the simplest level, and that's the reality.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (27:05)
Yeah.
Karen hunt (27:06)
I would so so yes, there are wonderful Muslims, many wonderful Muslims, and you know devout and good good people.
But they're not really Muslims. You know, they're they might as well call it a different religion. And I know it's gonna make some people angry. But you know, that's the truth. That's the truth of the matter.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (27:29)
Looking at crime in the United Kingdom, in Germany, in France, in Norway, in Sweden, a disproportionate amount of it, violent crime, a dis particularly against women, a disproportionate amount is committed by Muslim immigrants of the Muslim background. Does that have anything to do with Muslim faith per se, or is it merely the behaviour of displaced people in an alien society?
Karen hunt (28:02)
If it was merely the behavior of displaced people in an alien society, then it wouldn't be just so dramatically those of the Islamic faith, right? So I mean we have many the I mean the United States is a country of immigrants. You I mean we've got lots and lots of people from Latin America, we don't see that. Okay, there well, we have gangs, there's a lot of bad elements. There's a lot of bad elements. But if we're speaking that strictly about this issue, yes, it has a lot to do with the belief that, it yeah again, I mean, we're all infidels. When I first went to when I first went to Egypt, I didn't want to use that word infidel. I was quite a I don't like to label myself, but I was probably more liberal than conservative at that time. And you know, infidel was a bad word. Then you're a racist. It's you know, you can't say that you can't say that Muslims think of you in that manner. That's your problem. You're a white supremacist colon colonizer, you know, so you have you're the one with the problem. But when I was there, no, I saw the mask came off while I was there and I saw that blatant hatred beneath that mask for anyone who is a unbeliever.
And I even received, you know, I have messages I've kept to this day when the mask came off basically telling me that they were all smiles until they realized that they could not they could not fool me in the way that they had fooled these other women.
And I ended up actually confronting these men, having confrontations with them. And very I mean that's a whole other story, but one thing that I learned there is that you have to be the only thing and I would say this to any leader in the West, which is also another frustration, is that you have to pi be strong. That's all that they that's all that they recognize is strength. You have to - I learned that and I'm a martial artist and I was a full contact boxer, kickboxer. I started the first and only boxing club for girls in Luxor, which is another amazing story. But if they come at you angrily or whatever, you just have to come back at them ten times stronger. That's what you have to do. And so they think that they can just subdue you, they can overpower you, they, you know, just by the force sheer force of their of their the of their arrogance because of their religion. And I remember having one conversation I had many this is the thing is that I had because of my situation there over a period of almost three years, I had many very, very honest conversations with the men there that most people never have, especially not a Western woman. So, you know, over in the camp in front of the fire, having a barbecue, you know, they're drinking their beer, smoking their hash, asking just asking them questions and then telling me the truth. And part of it was that they're so angry that they lost the wars with Israel, but they will never admit that they've lost those wars. They actually believe they will tell you that they won. The delusion is so when they is so great. So when they come to a Western country, they will never accept that they are the ones that are not dominant. They will never accept that. No matter even if they're, you know, living in like you hear them, they'll interview them and those.
Hotels in England, you know, the man and they'll say no we own this country. I mean it's it sounds so absurd and people I think people don't even take it seriously because they think well that's just an aberration. That's one crazy person saying that. No that's really what they believe.
Susan Lapin (32:13)
Can I ask you to point out because one of the things I've gotten from you is and it's people look and there'll be Muslim men and now it's been in New York City and it's certainly been in in England where they do their prayers outside. You have a city filled with mosques and yet they will be bowing on the street outside. In large numbers. In large numbers. So this is really part of what you're saying. Could you elaborate on that why they feel the need, what they're doing when they are praying outside, that it's not just praying.
Karen hunt (32:45)
Yeah, this is this is outrageous that it is even allowed and they will do it near synagogues or near churches, things like that. They will do it in parks where they just take over the park. And it's kinda funny because I never saw that in Luxar. I never saw that, you know, nobody's out in the street because why would they be? I mean that's a s you know, that that it's a big bother to do that actually. They have a mosque and there's plenty of mosques in every Western country, in fact, they're taking over with these huge mosques. So there's absolutely no reason it's kind of marking their territory. It's an aggression. It's not, you know, it's not a peaceful, you know, the bowing to God and praying. And actually, it's quite wrong because even in the Quran it says not to do it in public, it you know, not to make a big show of your Prayer and you have to do your ritual washing beforehand. So I'm just wondering when are they doing that before they're out in the middle of Times Square? You know, they're not even following their own religion by that, but it doesn't matter because they can do whatever they want if they it's all justified if it's a way to take over. You know, that that that is also in the Quran. So they can be deceitful, they can even break their own rules. If it means that they gain some sort of leverage or more power for Islam. Yeah. So it's absolutely a way of projecting of intimidating and projecting their own power.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (34:30)
Is part of the way of thinking take over of the West, or is this merely paranoid Westerners like me saying, Look, there are there are a lot of them and it's not fundamentally different from when the Irish came to America in large numbers or Germans immigrated to America in large numbers. And now it's Muslims immigrating to America in very large numbers. but you know, the Irish didn't try and take over America, although, you know, in in some respects it's what they did. the Germans didn't try and take over America, but you know, they built the Brooklyn Bridge. is this in any way different, this immigration of Muslims?
Karen hunt (35:22)
I mean, I'm just one person giving my experiences you know of having lived in a Muslim country and see and then seeing what's going on. But I would say it is extremely different because the religion is so different. we you know, we we are and people won't even don't even want to use they get offended by this language, but we are a Judeo Christian nation in the United States. That is what we are, and we're not even supposed to say that anymore. You know, that's like a bad thing.
Susan Lapin (35:51)
We say it all the time, so
Karen hunt (35:51)
To say was exactly but yeah and I say it too but you know this is how this is how twisted things have become so if this element comes in, I mean we have to listen to what the Imams say. They say it all the time in the in the mosques in the United States. They say exactly what they're doing. They're taking over. I quote all this over and over again in my essays. They they're not they make no secret of what they are trying to do. You know, it's really interesting because I don't know if you know Richard Dawkins, one of the most famous atheists, evolutionary biologist, very, very my father used to quote him all the time in a very negative manner, you know, because he d doesn't believe in God. But it what's so fascinating is that he now says that he is a cultural Christian.
Why does he say that? Because of Islam. Imagine an atheist that that for hi devoted his entire life to speaking out against anything to do with God, denying the existence of God, now feeling so disturbed by what's happening that he's saying that he is a cultural Christian. I don't believe there can be such a thing as a cultural Christian because you know you're he's saying that he believes he now values the traditions, the rituals,
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (37:22)
Right.
Karen hunt (37:23)
you know, of Christianity. I mean
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (37:25)
Yeah.
Karen hunt (37:25)
of course there's a lot behind that, the reasons why that those things exist.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (37:29)
Yes.
Karen hunt (37:30)
But yeah, so this is a very telling mark that it's very concerning what is happening because we are losing what's happening is we are losing our identity as a nation you know and that's been happening for a long time from the far left has been eating away, eating away eating away at our identity as a nation and out also in the in in in Europe and in Great Britain even more to a larger extent. So it became very ripe for this type of you know acceptance.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (38:01)
Right.
Karen hunt (38:02)
it's an irony that they that they're going to accept Islam, but they're not going to accept Christianity. And that's to bring about the downfall basically of the West. You know, it that that's part of communism. So communism, you know, aligns with Islam, but as I've been saying for three years, and people, you know, I was speaking out against Tucker Carlson before anybody was and a lot of people were angry at me. But I saw so quickly, especially when he brought that Daryl Cooper pseudo historian on. You know, I was writing about that, that this is an out that this is happening on the right and the you know the far right. I the far left, sorry I get off on a tangent, but the far left I'm sorry, the left, the Democrats felt like they had to make a deal with the far left. You know, it's it in order to do everything they could just to defeat Donald Trump, you know, is Donald Trump. And the same thing has happened on the right. The right feels like they have had to make a deal with the far right in order to defeat the other side. But what's happened is they just cancel each other out, and it now is just like it's just this this this sort of alliance with Islam, and it's Jews and Israel that were thrown to the wolves, and that's how the these both of these two sides fought.
Far left, far right, but we can't even say that anymore, aligning with Islam. The one thing that they had in common, hatred of Jews and the destruction of Israel. And that's what's happening.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (39:32)
Can you explain why it is that particularly young, educated, affluent elites in the United States of America are attracted both to Islam and to socialism when it would seem that socialism with its secular and essentially atheistic views would appear to have nothing in common with Islam and yet our young educated, affluent elites are drawn to both these.
Susan Lapin (39:35)
Well it's not only drawn, but if you look at like Mehir Mamdani, that's what he's running on. He's running as a socialist, but he really is running on an Islamic ticket. How does that work?
Karen hunt (40:15)
Well I mean the you know we have this has been going on for a long time. It didn't suddenly happen. It started in the sixties or even in the fifties where the radicals, Angela Davis, all these people, you know, the good reason to protest against the Vietnam War. There was at least a good reason for the protest back then. But then these you know these radical communists got into the school system. So you know it's been going on for a long time where our youth have been indoctrinated in this and nobody stopped it. Nobody sort of you know this apathy was just there for a very long time until finally people started thinking, wow what's happening? So all of these, I've written quite a bit about that too. The universities, our elite universities that have just been completely taken over by the by radical far left and you know youth always want to rebel that it's not an unusual thing so for somebody like Mamdani to come along you know he's just he's young he's vivacious he's he has a really cool artist wife ugh don't get me started but you know and and the and it's just it it's cool and so the and he's gonna give everybody free stuff and it's gonna be a beautiful world and they're idealistic and they're young and they want i i th you know this happens over and over and over again. It's nothing new for them to do this.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (41:44)
But wouldn't you think that as he spouts anti Israel and anti Semitic tropes, why are his American socialist followers in New York City not saying to him, Mom Donnie, forget you know you're not appointed, you're not elected for America's foreign affairs, you're not engaged to deal with international just stick with running New York City. But they're not, they're applauding every time he speaks about Gazan genocide. Why?
Karen hunt (42:12)
It well I again I think that that goes back to the whole DEI and you know w everything that happened during COVID where people were put into their virtual prisons. You know, people start w started being separated from one another at that point. You know, you had the people that that believed it was a hoax or whatever, and you had the people that believed that you know that that it was that it was all true. And so they became enemies of one another. Then you had BLM and everybody was really indoctrinated to if you remember when everybody's started blacking out their profiles on Facebook in support of BLM. You know, Black Lives Matter. If you dared to say, well, all lives matter, you were vilified, you were, you know, ostracized, all these types of things. I was called all kinds of things at that time, not least a plague-ridden Karen, because my name is actually Karen, and you know what was going on with the name Karen back then. So you had to conform. You had to conform. I remember I had a friend, she was a principal of a school, and she was a Trump supporter, and she told me she had to sit there during lunch she lunchtime and listen to all of her colleagues just hate on Trump and she didn't dare say one word because she feared she would lose her job. And so both the sides were pitted against one another at that time. And you know, people were told over and over and over and over again, that there are the conservatives, they're evil, evil,
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (43:59)
Because no.
Karen hunt (44:00)
evil, evil people. And I thought at that time, what he's saying is going to come to pass, you know, because people begin to feel like they have to choose one extreme or the other. There's no more middle ground. There's no more middle ground. So, in order, at least my extreme side, you know, whether it's the far right or the far left, is at least better than the other side, you know? So the country became split apart like that. And so the youth already in these schools, it was all indoctrination of the left, anyways. So it just continued on like that. And to be told that it's a quite incredible, but I feel like there's almost like after October 7th, it was almost like a demon was released on the world, a demonic force or something, whereby people started believing these very obvious lies, you know, and it and the youth are the most susceptible. So I feel like I'm kind of rambling on, but this is kind of what happened.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (45:09)
I get it.
Karen hunt (45:10)
And they believe, you know, the youth, they really believe the lies about Gaza, they believe the lies about Israel. They and it and what it to me it's quite crazy because it's so the truth is so obvious. So I can only look at it from a spiritual perspective that people have are believing a lie, a demonic lie. You know that that's the only way that I can really explain what's happening.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (45:44)
Talking of demonic lies, if you had to guess the number of women over, shall we say, the last twenty five years who were seduced by Muslim men in in Luxor and handed over money and much of their lives, are we talking about a hundred women or a thousand women or ten thousand women? Like just ballpark, how many women's lives have been ensnared by Muslim men in in the in the Luxor area in Egypt.
Karen hunt (46:16)
I would say there's gotta be thousands. And beyond there in on the coastal areas, Hergada and and Sharmel Shek, there's many, many more. Luxor is known as the center of this type of behavior. The Luxor men are quite no known for this.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (46:39)
Yes, what you you said they call it the business.
Karen hunt (46:42)
Yeah, the business.
The women I mean it's very sad. I mean there's a cemetery there, Saint Taudras Monastery. It's a Greek Orthod I'm sorry, it's an Orthodox cemetery, monastery, and that's where these women are buried. You know, you have these women that are stuck there. I had an article that I wrote that that was published in Egyptian streets, which is probably the most popular, ironically, liberal Egyptian paper. It's in English. It goes out throughout all the world about my experiences helping this this Swedish woman fight off this. I helped her with this mob of Egyptian men that were about to attack her. And after that article was published, I had many women contacting me, messaging me and saying thank you so much for telling our stories because one woman said, I wish I could tell my story, but if I did, I wouldn't live to see tomorrow. And so there are I don't know how many, but I can tell you that the entire West Bank, the villas, everything is built on the money of these women. That's how everything is built.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (48:11)
And how much of a factor in this extraordinary phenomenon of thousands of women who've basically surrendered their lives to these men, their money, their honour and their lives? how much of that is due to the fact that these men are Muslims? would these same lonely women have fallen for Czechoslovakian men or Romanian men or Italian men?
Karen hunt (48:41)
That's a good question. I mean of course women fall for Italian men and they fall for you know, they're gonna they're gonna fall for anybody that a lot of women who if if they're if they're wooed in the right kind of way, especially a lot of these women are elderly w elderly women. I mean you see them, it was one of the first things I noticed, not I mean not nice looking elderly women holding hands on the corniche with these young Egyptian men in their flowing jalabiyas. So certainly that is going to happen. But it is again - it is the religion that that captures them so deeply. There's a saying in Luxor that I found out that if a woman tries to leave, she will only leave with the skin on her back. Every other thing will be taken from her. Why? Because she does not deserve anything. Why? Because she is an infidel.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (49:47)
A woman and an infidel.
Karen hunt (49:49)
A woman and an infidel. The worst the worst combination. And worse than I mean they don't treat their own women much better, but you know, w i it's even worse if you are an infidel. They will take a property so many sad stories. They will they they'll have a property that they own. They will sell that property over and over again, the same property, to different women. Women will sign contracts thinking that they own something and they own nothing. Everyone you know it's a small world so everyone there's five families that control everything in on the West Bank.
And so they're all connected, you know, the police, the real estate agent, the lawyer, your husband, whoever it is, they're all in on whatever the scam is and it can become very, very dangerous if you try to resist. Yeah, at a certain point if they really capture you, it can become very dangerous and I know of many situations, in fact, you know, things that as I said, this one woman that I helped her, I helped another woman as well to get out of a dangerous situation. I mean there were reasons why they were actually more afraid of me than I was of them because of how I was able to manipulate some things there. and I was able to get some information that I had about these men so that if they ever dared try to do anything to me, the whole world was gonna know and they knew that so they never they were
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (51:32)
I mean nonetheless it would appear I mean certainly from your writing and from the story, the drama, it does seem as if you were fairly lucky to have gotten out and gotten away, because it is dangerous, there's no doubt about it.
Karen hunt (51:47)
Yes, it is dangerous and it is you know, if you submit, you're going to be okay. I'm not that kind of person. Never gonna do that. So yes, it became that is why it became
Susan Lapin (52:04)
You agree. I just want to pull back because Egypt, I think if you ask most Americans, Egypt is now a peaceful country. They're in the Abraham Accords. We haven't had a problem with Egyptian terrorists. That's not how does the Muslim world, there are so many Muslim countries, and then people hear Shia and they hear Sunni. And the fact is that I think most people's minds just can't even you know, no one most people don't have the time and energy to do a study of the religion. So you have Iran and We probably know more than many people, but you know, we know Iran is controlling Kha Hezbollah and I Iran was control you know, giving money to Hamas. And then you have the Qataris who have been basically buying their way into an American education and universities for a very long time. But how do you put maybe this is we have to bring this in for a landing, but how do you deal or how do you how should people deal with the fact that there seem to be so many of Morocco, you have Egypt, you Syria, you have Lebanon, you have so many countries, and they even have different religious beliefs because some are Shi'an, some are Sunni. How do you put that all into one package and say, well, you have to be able to step above and somehow look down and see this from an overall perspective, from the eagle eye, instead of trying to get each one's place?
Karen hunt (53:23)
Unless you have an interest and I now know a lot about this topic, you know, you really don't need to worry about whether they're Sunni or whether they're Shia or whatever they are. You know, Mer Merman Dani is a Twelver Shia Muslim like the Ayatollah Khomeini, you know, it's pretty crazy. You know, he wore himself in on an Ottoman Empire
Quran and nobody had a problem with that. The Ottomans who tried to take over Europe, you know, it's like it's crazy. But and you know, in in Egypt, you know, that was the birthplace of the Muslim Brotherhood. It doesn't matter. They're all it's all you know, the other Gulf states, which are Sunni, Saudi Arabia, you know, the and so forth, they are trying to portray themselves as the moderates and there's all kinds of stuff about Muslim Brotherhood, they're putting that out there, you know, they're the bad guys. They're and yes, they are bad. But of much more concern, because they are the quiet ones, are the these very powerful Sunni Muslim nations that are now, you know, giving I mean th th they're they have the same agenda. They all have the same agenda. And they're supportive of us now because we're Israel and the United States is fighting against Iran. They hate because they're Shia, you know. So but they would as but they are setting themselves up, you know, they still want to destroy Israel, they still want to destroy the West. They all have that same agenda. And as Masab Hassan Yosef says, if they're not fighting against Jews and Americans, they're fighting against each other. You know, we saw that in Gaza when you know the war supposedly stopped. The clans, the families, which is the same kind of thing in Luxor, they rose up and they started fighting.
Fighting against how they started fighting against each other. I thought when I went to Egypt that it was the most liberal progressive country. It is not. It there it has worse actions against women there than any other Muslim nation. Women complain more there than any other than any other nation. shortly after I left there a a woman was in Cairo, which people always argue and they say, yeah, but Luxor is you the backwater place. no, Cairo is not that much different. A woman in Cairo she who in invited a colleague to have coffee in her apartment and the Bawa the guy that runs the man. Let's say and some other men went up and threw her off the balcony and killed her because she had an a man on his own in her apart in her apartment. so it is still up to 90% female genital mutilation. It's against the law there now, but it doesn't matter because they still do it. One of the big turning points for me was when I was you know I got these girls. That's a whole amazing story how I got the girls into my boxing class. But I found out that they were of a certain age. They could only be in my class up to a certain age because beyond that
They were all gonna be subjected to female genital mutilation. And from that point onward, their life was going to change. And when I found out that, and when I found out from the men, every single man that I talked to assured me, of course my daughter that will happen to my daughter. Of course my daughter will have that. So no matter what anybody tells you about how it might be different, I heard it from them. I saw it, you know, I lived there. I know the reality of what it is. So
Yeah.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (57:16)
Are the girls sporting clubs that you created, the girls boxing club for are those still continuing or with your departure did they get closed?
Karen hunt (57:26)
No, it closed when I when I well, COVID came and so you know, that that was a whole other aspect of what happened there. But everything was closed then and I and at that point when I realized that I'm not gonna I can't be silent about this. I cannot live in this place and when I have this knowledge of what's going on here, I you know, I can't just get my I will get myself in a lot of trouble if I continue. You live in here and I'm not gonna change anything. Nothing's going to change. I'm not gonna change anything here. So I left, yeah, and it's no longer it no longer exists.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (58:06)
Susan and I are very visibly Jewish. let's you know, let's imagine we have options and alternatives. taking out your crystal ball as well as you can, let us imagine we're living in London. Do you advise us to pick up and move away? Let's leave aside for the moment the question of where we'd move to, but would you tell us Now would be a good time to get out of England.
Karen hunt (58:36)
Yes.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (58:37)
Would you tell us now if we were living in Paris, would now be a good time to get out of Paris?
Karen hunt (58:42)
Yes. I believe that the head I don't remember his name, but the head rabbi in Paris advised people. He said, If you're young if you're young he says if you're older, no, but young people leave. And where is there to go anymore? Where is there to go for, you know, Israel?
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (58:59)
Well, leaving the leaving that aside, let's come now to America. we're living we're visible, conspicuously Jewish, and we live in New York. I'll leave New York, just the country. Well, let me start with New York. Would now be a would now be a good time to move out of New York and to go to Texas.
Karen hunt (59:22)
Mm, Texas? You know what's going on in Texas? I mean, they've got the huge mosques in Texas. They've got you know, this is the this is the problem. I don't really I mean maybe there's some places you could move out but who can do that? You know, that this is a problem. I don't think I'd advise moving to Texas. I don't know where I would advise moving to.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (59:45)
would you advise us to move or is it time for Jews, if they're able to do so, to leave the United States while they can?
Karen hunt (59:56)
I would say if they are able to do it, yes. I would I would say why not? Because we know what has happened throughout history, when people when Jews waited too long. Think yeah.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:00:08)
When you wait too long you you're not able to take your possessions and you sometimes lose your life. So may you know, the question
Karen hunt (1:00:14)
Example.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:00:15)
It's now already the time for prudent people to get a move on.
Susan Lapin (1:00:20)
Well I just wanna add because we have and we've been we have actually we were big advocates of fighting against what we called anti Christianism, which wasn't even a phrase, but we were warning people, both in the Jewish community and in the general community that there was a war going on against Christianity and the more secular very much what you said, the more secular the country becomes, the less capable it is of maintaining its essence, and then you've got a weak and demoralized United States. so I think we firmly believe that yes, you know, if the Jews are one case, but they're coming for Christians as well. So what is your maybe this
Karen hunt (1:00:58)
Yes, that's great.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:01:00)
Is your closing word, what is your message to Christians in America?
Karen hunt (1:01:05)
It's a message that I say in my essays so often, stand up, speak out, don't be silent, but also do your research so you know what you're talking about, so that you're able to argue in a rational, reasonable manner. I'm not a screamer, rational, reasonable, respectful, you know, set that example to people. But I do believe, yes, anyone who stands with Jews, they are going to face the same situation. Now I have people telling me Jews telling me I'm not running away even if it means you know whatever it means this is my country. I think you know the United States also I get it the United States is a little bit different from other places.
We are so founded we founded on this freedom and that and we have the right to bear arms. We have you know, we have more there are I think there are more people that might rise up in in the long run, you know. So I understand people not wanting to just run away, but to stand firm, to stand strong. But if they're going to do that, they have to actually do that. You know, people really do need
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:02:12)
Equal real.
Karen hunt (1:02:13)
to start speaking out, people really do need to start taking a public stand wherever they are. Be bold and be brave. That's what I would say to and to Christians as well. I say that all the time. And be prepared to suffer for it. Be prepared.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:02:29)
Karen, how would you best like folks to reach out to you and to learn more about your work?
Karen hunt (1:02:37)
I am on Substack at breakfree media. Break free media. So you can find me there. If you look, if you just Google Break Free Media, Karen Hunt, H-U-N-T, simple name, you'll find me there. I'm also on a horrible place called X. I'm there because I have to do research there. So if you're on there, you can find me at Karen Alaine A-L-A-I-N-E Hunt. That's where I am at on X.
Ha ha ha.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:03:07)
Well, I will tell you that your accounts of life in Luxor and what happened and how even you were seduced, even you were absolutely unforgettable. the images and the words are seared into my mind. I found it to be really important reading. And
Karen hunt (1:03:30)
Thank you. And I am working on this book, The Seduction of Islam, which it's in editing phase, so it should be finished soon. Yeah. Yes. Thank you.
Susan Lapin (1:03:37)
That's quite advanced. That's true. Well, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. And we're on the well, you know, we that's what we're trying to do actually, is stand up and be very vocal. Good. So thank you. Thank you, Karen. Much
Karen hunt (1:03:46)
Yes, thank you. Thank you. We stand together.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin (1:03:52)
appreciated and God bless.
Karen hunt (1:03:54)
God bless.
